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Pope is Dead
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Stavros of Pureshitland
2005-04-02 20:30:44 UTC
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The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer the
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.



I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I pick up
the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I have a
feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a long life that
good? Compared to eternity our life span is insignificant. Yet I do what
ever is needed to keep mine going. Many older people die and the doctors
have not reason for the death other than old age. They get to a certain
point where holding on is more difficult then letting go. The purpose of
life is death.
William Hursthouse
2005-04-02 21:24:43 UTC
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Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer the
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I pick up
the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I have a
feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a long life that
good? Compared to eternity our life span is insignificant. Yet I do what
ever is needed to keep mine going. Many older people die and the doctors
have not reason for the death other than old age. They get to a certain
point where holding on is more difficult then letting go. The purpose of
life is death.
As far as I can see, all argument supporting the meaning of life being
anything more than what we suppose it to be depend on faith and are
therefore difficult to make convincing to those lacking this
.....gift/curse

Personally, I believe this pope was a great deal better than many of
his predecessors in that he brought hope, inspiration and happiness to
countless numbers. For that he deserves respect. The fact that he had
a couple of blind spots re birth control and same sex marriage does
not diminish the good he accomplished.
No one is perfect.

wm
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Lazarhat
2005-04-02 21:58:49 UTC
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Post by William Hursthouse
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Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer the
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I pick
up the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I
have a feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a
long life that good? Compared to eternity our life span is
insignificant. Yet I do what ever is needed to keep mine going. Many
older people die and the doctors have not reason for the death other
than old age. They get to a certain point where holding on is more
difficult then letting go. The purpose of life is death.
As far as I can see, all argument supporting the meaning of life being
anything more than what we suppose it to be depend on faith and are
therefore difficult to make convincing to those lacking this
.....gift/curse
Personally, I believe this pope was a great deal better than many of
his predecessors in that he brought hope, inspiration and happiness to
countless numbers. For that he deserves respect. The fact that he had
a couple of blind spots re birth control and same sex marriage does
not diminish the good he accomplished.
No one is perfect.
wm
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Baaagh! There hasn't been a decent Pope since Martin V.

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cupcake
2005-04-02 22:13:32 UTC
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William Hursthouse squeeka'd
Post by William Hursthouse
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:30:44 GMT, "Stavros of Pureshitland"
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer the
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I pick
up the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I
have a feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a
long life that good? Compared to eternity our life span is
insignificant. Yet I do what ever is needed to keep mine going. Many
older people die and the doctors have not reason for the death other
than old age. They get to a certain point where holding on is more
difficult then letting go. The purpose of life is death.
As far as I can see, all argument supporting the meaning of life being
anything more than what we suppose it to be depend on faith and are
therefore difficult to make convincing to those lacking this
.....gift/curse
Personally, I believe this pope was a great deal better than many of
his predecessors in that he brought hope, inspiration and happiness to
countless numbers. For that he deserves respect. The fact that he had
a couple of blind spots re birth control and same sex marriage does
not diminish the good he accomplished.
No one is perfect.
wm
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Baaagh! There hasn't been a decent Pope since Martin V.
well, what if this is juzt all a sham and a ruse,
and the Pope isn't really dead, and he's juzt
snuck off to live with Elvis in Evis's secret
hide-away in Shangri-la, huh
Daryl
2005-04-03 01:09:22 UTC
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well, what if this is juzt all a sham and a ruse,
and the Pope isn't really dead, and he's juzt
snuck off to live with Elvis in Evis's secret
hide-away in Shangri-la, huh
Hey, maybe Father Guido Sarducci has a shot at it!
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Daryl
Duty is Freedom
To email me add dawt cee eh.
Stavros of Pureshitland
2005-04-02 22:39:15 UTC
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Post by William Hursthouse
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:30:44 GMT, "Stavros of Pureshitland"
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer the
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I pick
up the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I
have a feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a
long life that good? Compared to eternity our life span is
insignificant. Yet I do what ever is needed to keep mine going. Many
older people die and the doctors have not reason for the death other
than old age. They get to a certain point where holding on is more
difficult then letting go. The purpose of life is death.
As far as I can see, all argument supporting the meaning of life being
anything more than what we suppose it to be depend on faith and are
therefore difficult to make convincing to those lacking this
.....gift/curse
Personally, I believe this pope was a great deal better than many of
his predecessors in that he brought hope, inspiration and happiness to
countless numbers. For that he deserves respect. The fact that he had
a couple of blind spots re birth control and same sex marriage does
not diminish the good he accomplished.
No one is perfect.
wm
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Baaagh! There hasn't been a decent Pope since Martin V.
what did martin 5 do?
Lazarhat
2005-04-03 08:40:27 UTC
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Stavros of Pureshitland squeeka'd news:naF3e.6359$FN4.1190
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Post by Lazarhat
Post by William Hursthouse
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:30:44 GMT, "Stavros of Pureshitland"
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer the
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I pick
up the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I
have a feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a
long life that good? Compared to eternity our life span is
insignificant. Yet I do what ever is needed to keep mine going. Many
older people die and the doctors have not reason for the death other
than old age. They get to a certain point where holding on is more
difficult then letting go. The purpose of life is death.
As far as I can see, all argument supporting the meaning of life being
anything more than what we suppose it to be depend on faith and are
therefore difficult to make convincing to those lacking this
.....gift/curse
Personally, I believe this pope was a great deal better than many of
his predecessors in that he brought hope, inspiration and happiness to
countless numbers. For that he deserves respect. The fact that he had
a couple of blind spots re birth control and same sex marriage does
not diminish the good he accomplished.
No one is perfect.
wm
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Baaagh! There hasn't been a decent Pope since Martin V.
what did martin 5 do?
Allowed this guy to get his start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torquemada
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Sincerity is the new Irony.
Truth is the new Lie. -Lazarhat
Stavros of Pureshitland
2005-04-03 15:27:26 UTC
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Post by William Hursthouse
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:30:44 GMT, "Stavros of Pureshitland"
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer
the
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Lazarhat
Post by William Hursthouse
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I
pick
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Lazarhat
Post by William Hursthouse
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
up the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I
have a feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a
long life that good? Compared to eternity our life span is
insignificant. Yet I do what ever is needed to keep mine going. Many
older people die and the doctors have not reason for the death other
than old age. They get to a certain point where holding on is more
difficult then letting go. The purpose of life is death.
As far as I can see, all argument supporting the meaning of life
being
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Lazarhat
Post by William Hursthouse
anything more than what we suppose it to be depend on faith and are
therefore difficult to make convincing to those lacking this
.....gift/curse
Personally, I believe this pope was a great deal better than many of
his predecessors in that he brought hope, inspiration and happiness
to
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Lazarhat
Post by William Hursthouse
countless numbers. For that he deserves respect. The fact that he had
a couple of blind spots re birth control and same sex marriage does
not diminish the good he accomplished.
No one is perfect.
wm
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Baaagh! There hasn't been a decent Pope since Martin V.
what did martin 5 do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torquemada
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finishing up the inquisition. The Jews fled from Spain to Eastern Europe.
Now they live peacefully in Miami with bernie.
Lisa lived in Warsaw for many years after she fled China during the
Tiananmen Square Massacre. She said that they hate the Jews. It was very
noticeable. In the 1950s a second wave of anti-Semitism broke out in Poland
causing all but 10,000 to flee the country.
dt
2005-04-04 16:30:03 UTC
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Post by William Hursthouse
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Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer
the
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Lazarhat
Post by William Hursthouse
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I
pick
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Lazarhat
Post by William Hursthouse
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
up the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I
have a feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a
long life that good? Compared to eternity our life span is
insignificant. Yet I do what ever is needed to keep mine going. Many
older people die and the doctors have not reason for the death other
than old age. They get to a certain point where holding on is more
difficult then letting go. The purpose of life is death.
As far as I can see, all argument supporting the meaning of life
being
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Lazarhat
Post by William Hursthouse
anything more than what we suppose it to be depend on faith and are
therefore difficult to make convincing to those lacking this
.....gift/curse
Personally, I believe this pope was a great deal better than many of
his predecessors in that he brought hope, inspiration and happiness
to
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Lazarhat
Post by William Hursthouse
countless numbers. For that he deserves respect. The fact that he had
a couple of blind spots re birth control and same sex marriage does
not diminish the good he accomplished.
No one is perfect.
wm
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Baaagh! There hasn't been a decent Pope since Martin V.
what did martin 5 do?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torquemada
"The hammer of heretics, the light of Spain, the saviour of his country,
the honour of his order" and the man without whom torque wrenches would
be called something else?

DT
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Stavros of Pureshitland
2005-04-02 22:41:13 UTC
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Post by William Hursthouse
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:30:44 GMT, "Stavros of Pureshitland"
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer the
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I pick up
the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I have a
feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a long life that
good? Compared to eternity our life span is insignificant. Yet I do what
ever is needed to keep mine going. Many older people die and the doctors
have not reason for the death other than old age. They get to a certain
point where holding on is more difficult then letting go. The purpose of
life is death.
As far as I can see, all argument supporting the meaning of life being
anything more than what we suppose it to be depend on faith and are
therefore difficult to make convincing to those lacking this
.....gift/curse
Personally, I believe this pope was a great deal better than many of
his predecessors in that he brought hope, inspiration and happiness to
countless numbers. For that he deserves respect. The fact that he had
a couple of blind spots re birth control and same sex marriage does
not diminish the good he accomplished.
No one is perfect.
He also referred to Buddhism in a very bad way. I wish that I could
remember his words.
William Hursthouse
2005-04-02 23:11:16 UTC
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Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by William Hursthouse
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:30:44 GMT, "Stavros of Pureshitland"
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer the
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I pick up
the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I have a
feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a long life that
good? Compared to eternity our life span is insignificant. Yet I do what
ever is needed to keep mine going. Many older people die and the doctors
have not reason for the death other than old age. They get to a certain
point where holding on is more difficult then letting go. The purpose of
life is death.
As far as I can see, all argument supporting the meaning of life being
anything more than what we suppose it to be depend on faith and are
therefore difficult to make convincing to those lacking this
.....gift/curse
Personally, I believe this pope was a great deal better than many of
his predecessors in that he brought hope, inspiration and happiness to
countless numbers. For that he deserves respect. The fact that he had
a couple of blind spots re birth control and same sex marriage does
not diminish the good he accomplished.
No one is perfect.
He also referred to Buddhism in a very bad way. I wish that I could
remember his words.
Perhpas it's a good thing you can't - but you are right, I also
remember he exhibited an apparent lack of respect for Buddhism.

Mind you, I also have a complete lack of respect for much of what is
professed to be "Buddhism", - that is quite different from
disrespecting the person holding a particular view.
I doubt if the pope was disrespectful to the dalai lama when he met
him - they just agreed to disagree on certain points.

wm
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Daryl
2005-04-03 01:55:15 UTC
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Post by William Hursthouse
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:30:44 GMT, "Stavros of Pureshitland"
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer the
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I pick up
the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I have a
feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a long life that
good? Compared to eternity our life span is insignificant. Yet I do what
ever is needed to keep mine going. Many older people die and the doctors
have not reason for the death other than old age. They get to a certain
point where holding on is more difficult then letting go. The purpose of
life is death.
As far as I can see, all argument supporting the meaning of life being
anything more than what we suppose it to be depend on faith and are
therefore difficult to make convincing to those lacking this
.....gift/curse
Personally, I believe this pope was a great deal better than many of
his predecessors in that he brought hope, inspiration and happiness to
countless numbers. For that he deserves respect. The fact that he had
a couple of blind spots re birth control and same sex marriage does
not diminish the good he accomplished.
No one is perfect.
He also referred to Buddhism in a very bad way. I wish that I could
remember his words.
Try this:
http://www.yogichen.org/efiles/liberate.html#chapter7
--
Daryl
Duty is Freedom
To email me add dawt cee eh.
Roaming Iblis
2005-04-03 18:10:59 UTC
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. . . .
He also referred to Buddhism in a very bad way. I wish that I could
remember his words.
http://www.yogichen.org/efiles/liberate.html#chapter7
--
Daryl
I also remember John Paul II making that negative reference to
Buddhism, which I recalled as something like "Buddhism is an atheistic
religion" (definitely not good as far as the Pope was concerned). That
remark seemed odd considering how much effort he spent in ecumenical
activities and "outreach" to other Christians, Jews, and even Muslims.
But during his tenure such efforts were paralleled by reiteration of
hard-line positions and agendas coming out of the Vatican (protestants
are basically still going to hell, Anglicans should hook up with and
submit to Rome again, and, ideally, so should the Eastern Orthodox!)

I haven't read the Pope's book as cited by Yutang Lin in the
yogichen.org link, but the material you point to is very interesting:
sort of a Buddhist's misunderstanding a Christian's misunderstanding
of Buddhism.

--Roaming Iblis
Ned Ludd
2005-04-04 02:05:01 UTC
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Post by Daryl
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
He also referred to Buddhism in a very bad way. I wish that I
could remember his words.
http://www.yogichen.org/efiles/liberate.html#chapter7
--
Daryl
I also remember John Paul II making that negative reference to
Buddhism, which I recalled as something like "Buddhism is an atheistic
religion" (definitely not good as far as the Pope was concerned). That
remark seemed odd considering how much effort he spent in ecumenical
activities and "outreach" to other Christians, Jews, and even Muslims.
But during his tenure such efforts were paralleled by reiteration of
hard-line positions and agendas coming out of the Vatican (protestants
are basically still going to hell, Anglicans should hook up with and
submit to Rome again, and, ideally, so should the Eastern Orthodox!)
I haven't read the Pope's book as cited by Yutang Lin in the
sort of a Buddhist's misunderstanding a Christian's misunderstanding
of Buddhism.
--Roaming Iblis
He and his cronies tried to get the Buddhist religious leaders
barred from the 1995 centenary celebration of the Council of
World Religions. I.e. Because there is no God, it can't be a
religion. Likewise attempts were made to bar Wiccans.

Nowhere is the monopolistic tendency of every large organization
of every sector of society more apparent than in the Catholic
Church.

Ned

Btw, that Yutang Lin's reply to the Pope's criticisms of Buddhism
was exceptional. (For a scholar, ha.) I'm thinking of posting
the whole section here, just for good measure. And you're right,
Iblis, there was misunderstanding on both sides. But the Pope's
was the size of Mount Sumaru, and Lin's was the size of a mustard
seed.

A nice taste of Lin's replies:

[From the Pope's book:]
12. Carmelite mysticism begins at the point where the reflections of
Buddha end, together with his instructions for the spiritual life. [p. 87]

{Reply:]
Comment: Buddha's teachings point to the ultimate reality without
creating limitations by the wordings. Any ending of Buddha's teachings
exists only in the eyes of the beholder.
Roaming Iblis
2005-04-04 15:07:18 UTC
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Post by Ned Ludd
He and his cronies tried to get the Buddhist religious leaders
barred from the 1995 centenary celebration of the Council of
World Religions. I.e. Because there is no God, it can't be a
religion. Likewise attempts were made to bar Wiccans.
Yutang Lin fixes this very well when he says, "In the Buddhist Sutras
there are many conventional references to heavenly beings; therefore,
if the subject of atheism is not limited to the God but to gods,
Buddhism cannot be considered atheistic." Nicely said!

The problem for the Pope and for Christians, Jews, and Moslems
generally is that if you are not arguing about "God or gods," they
either don't know what you're talking about, or you must be an
atheist.
Post by Ned Ludd
Btw, that Yutang Lin's reply to the Pope's criticisms of Buddhism
was exceptional. (For a scholar, ha.) I'm thinking of posting
the whole section here, just for good measure. And you're right,
Iblis, there was misunderstanding on both sides. But the Pope's
was the size of Mount Sumaru, and Lin's was the size of a mustard
seed.
From a closer reading of the John Paul II quotes, I would say the late
Pope misunderstood Buddhism and did a disservice in publishing his
misunderstandings. As you say, Yutang Lin does an exceptional job of
explaining Buddhism in light of the Pope's criticisms and
misunderstandings.

But they inevitably talk past each other. John Paul II is quoted as
saying ". . . the doctrines of salvation in Buddhism and Christianity
are opposed," and that is right on target. Yutang Lin cannot escape by
saying that in Buddhism we don't have any subject/object distinctions
therefore there can be no opposition. Buddhism's mode of salvation may
not be in opposition to Christianity's, but Christianity's mode is
certainly in opposition to Buddhism's, and the Pope merely pointed
that out.

Meanwhile, John Paul II sounds a little strange from a Christian
perspective when he criticizes Buddhism for allegedly having "the
conviction that the world is bad, that it is the source of evil and
suffering for man." Not only does this severely misunderstand
Buddhism, it sounds more like a critique of Christianity! Catholic or
Protestant, Christian talk about the evil of the world and the
worthlessness of the world fills volumes. (To be fair, you can find
Christians who will say that the world is really OK despite the Fall
of Adam and Eve because the world is still God's creation, etc., etc.,
but you won't hear this on most days.)

--Roaming Iblis
Ned Ludd
2005-04-04 20:22:09 UTC
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Post by Ned Ludd
He and his cronies tried to get the Buddhist religious leaders
barred from the 1995 centenary celebration of the Council of
World Religions. I.e. Because there is no God, it can't be a
religion. Likewise attempts were made to bar Wiccans.
Yutang Lin fixes this very well when he says, "In the Buddhist
Sutras there are many conventional references to heavenly beings;
therefore, if the subject of atheism is not limited to the God but
to gods, Buddhism cannot be considered atheistic." Nicely said!
Yeah, I bet that warmed the Pope's heart.
Post by Roaming Iblis
The problem for the Pope and for Christians, Jews, and Moslems
generally is that if you are not arguing about "God or gods,"
they either don't know what you're talking about, or you must
be an atheist.
In which case you are damned.
Post by Roaming Iblis
Post by Ned Ludd
Btw, that Yutang Lin's reply to the Pope's criticisms of Buddhism
was exceptional. (For a scholar, ha.) I'm thinking of posting
the whole section here, just for good measure. And you're right,
Iblis, there was misunderstanding on both sides. But the Pope's
was the size of Mount Sumaru, and Lin's was the size of a mustard
seed.
From a closer reading of the John Paul II quotes, I would say the
late Pope misunderstood Buddhism and did a disservice in publishing
his misunderstandings. As you say, Yutang Lin does an exceptional
job of explaining Buddhism in light of the Pope's criticisms and
misunderstandings.
But they inevitably talk past each other. John Paul II is quoted as
saying ". . . the doctrines of salvation in Buddhism and Christianity
are opposed," and that is right on target. Yutang Lin cannot escape
by saying that in Buddhism we don't have any subject/object
distinctions therefore there can be no opposition. Buddhism's mode
of salvation may not be in opposition to Christianity's, but
Christianity's mode is certainly in opposition to Buddhism's, and
the Pope merely pointed that out.
Yes, defense was not required on this point. And I don't think
Lin WAS defending. The mixed blessing of having a scholar answer
the Pope's assertions was that you get scholarly answers when
something more abrupt would be to my liking, but by the same token
you get a politeness and consideration that readers might appreciate,
but which I think is inappropriate to the person being debated. Lin
is saying you've got the wrong words and you are asking the wrong
questions, but he says it so politely that the point gets obscured,
e.g. here:

Comment: The Buddhist teachings aim at resolving problems at the
onset of formation of problems, while the Christian approach is
within a given context prescribed by the revelations. Consequently,
the Buddhist teachings emphasize the artificial nature of conceptual
distinctions and how to attain freedom from such prejudices, while
the Christian teachings center around infusing faith in and the
defending of fundamental tenets.
Post by Roaming Iblis
Meanwhile, John Paul II sounds a little strange from a Christian
perspective when he criticizes Buddhism for allegedly having "the
conviction that the world is bad, that it is the source of evil and
suffering for man." Not only does this severely misunderstand
Buddhism, it sounds more like a critique of Christianity! Catholic
or Protestant, Christian talk about the evil of the world and the
worthlessness of the world fills volumes. (To be fair, you can find
Christians who will say that the world is really OK despite the Fall
of Adam and Eve because the world is still God's creation, etc., etc.,
but you won't hear this on most days.)
--Roaming Iblis
It thought the same thing about that. And Nietzsche says that
the two religions (Christianity and Buddhism) are identical in one
sense: that they are both religions of RESENTMENT.

What was most interesting to me is the way the Pope's comments
were 'kind of' correct descriptions of Buddhism at the beginnings
of most of his assertions, but then they all went too far and
pushed the assertion beyond anything that Buddhism or Buddha
proposes, by the end of his comment.

Ned
Messer Xin
2005-04-06 14:52:39 UTC
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Post by Roaming Iblis
Post by Ned Ludd
He and his cronies tried to get the Buddhist religious leaders
barred from the 1995 centenary celebration of the Council of
World Religions. I.e. Because there is no God, it can't be a
religion. Likewise attempts were made to bar Wiccans.
Yutang Lin fixes this very well when he says, "In the Buddhist
Sutras there are many conventional references to heavenly beings;
therefore, if the subject of atheism is not limited to the God but
to gods, Buddhism cannot be considered atheistic." Nicely said!
Yeah, I bet that warmed the Pope's heart.
Post by Roaming Iblis
The problem for the Pope and for Christians, Jews, and Moslems
generally is that if you are not arguing about "God or gods,"
they either don't know what you're talking about, or you must
be an atheist.
In which case you are damned.
Post by Roaming Iblis
Post by Ned Ludd
Btw, that Yutang Lin's reply to the Pope's criticisms of Buddhism
was exceptional. (For a scholar, ha.) I'm thinking of posting
the whole section here, just for good measure. And you're right,
Iblis, there was misunderstanding on both sides. But the Pope's
was the size of Mount Sumaru, and Lin's was the size of a mustard
seed.
From a closer reading of the John Paul II quotes, I would say the
late Pope misunderstood Buddhism and did a disservice in publishing
his misunderstandings. As you say, Yutang Lin does an exceptional
job of explaining Buddhism in light of the Pope's criticisms and
misunderstandings.
But they inevitably talk past each other. John Paul II is quoted as
saying ". . . the doctrines of salvation in Buddhism and Christianity
are opposed," and that is right on target. Yutang Lin cannot escape
by saying that in Buddhism we don't have any subject/object
distinctions therefore there can be no opposition. Buddhism's mode
of salvation may not be in opposition to Christianity's, but
Christianity's mode is certainly in opposition to Buddhism's, and
the Pope merely pointed that out.
Yes, defense was not required on this point. And I don't think
Lin WAS defending. The mixed blessing of having a scholar answer
the Pope's assertions was that you get scholarly answers when
something more abrupt would be to my liking, but by the same token
you get a politeness and consideration that readers might appreciate,
but which I think is inappropriate to the person being debated. Lin
is saying you've got the wrong words and you are asking the wrong
questions, but he says it so politely that the point gets obscured,
Comment: The Buddhist teachings aim at resolving problems at the
onset of formation of problems, while the Christian approach is
within a given context prescribed by the revelations. Consequently,
the Buddhist teachings emphasize the artificial nature of conceptual
distinctions and how to attain freedom from such prejudices, while
the Christian teachings center around infusing faith in and the
defending of fundamental tenets.
Post by Roaming Iblis
Meanwhile, John Paul II sounds a little strange from a Christian
perspective when he criticizes Buddhism for allegedly having "the
conviction that the world is bad, that it is the source of evil and
suffering for man." Not only does this severely misunderstand
Buddhism, it sounds more like a critique of Christianity! Catholic
or Protestant, Christian talk about the evil of the world and the
worthlessness of the world fills volumes. (To be fair, you can find
Christians who will say that the world is really OK despite the Fall
of Adam and Eve because the world is still God's creation, etc., etc.,
but you won't hear this on most days.)
--Roaming Iblis
It thought the same thing about that. And Nietzsche says that
the two religions (Christianity and Buddhism) are identical in one
sense: that they are both religions of RESENTMENT.
What was most interesting to me is the way the Pope's comments
were 'kind of' correct descriptions of Buddhism at the beginnings
of most of his assertions, but then they all went too far and
pushed the assertion beyond anything that Buddhism or Buddha
proposes, by the end of his comment.
Ned
Been reading you two fellas with interest. No time now to skip up the thread
to see if anyone has commented on the source of the "Pope's" comments. I
believe I have somewhere learned that he got his info and slants from
Cardinal Ratzinger. It's somewhat surprising that a Jesuit should have such
misunderstanding (hatred, even) of Buddhism, since, aside their general
excellence of scholarship, they have had first-hand experience of Buddhism in
Asia. Fr. LaSalle in Japan even caused Harada-roshi (the one who was
Yasutani's teacher) some consternation because he couldn't see how he could
give transmission to a non-Buddhist! There are Catholic clergy who are
recognized as Zen teachers (e.g.: Pat Hawk <
http://www.pathlesspath.org/pat.htm >).

One thing that disturbs me is that Ratzinger has been discussed as a possible
next pope. Fun & games with ecumenism then :)

---Messer Xin
--
Luke Clossey:
I take comfort in the principle that anyone who is offended by speech
spoken without intent to offend deserves to be offended.

Daryl Kinsman:
Heh, that should be the golden rule of political incorrectness.
Ned Ludd
2005-04-06 15:30:15 UTC
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Post by Roaming Iblis
Meanwhile, John Paul II sounds a little strange from a Christian
perspective when he criticizes Buddhism for allegedly having "the
conviction that the world is bad, that it is the source of evil and
suffering for man." Not only does this severely misunderstand
Buddhism, it sounds more like a critique of Christianity! Catholic
or Protestant, Christian talk about the evil of the world and the
worthlessness of the world fills volumes. (To be fair, you can find
Christians who will say that the world is really OK despite the Fall
of Adam and Eve because the world is still God's creation, etc., etc.,
but you won't hear this on most days.)
--Roaming Iblis
I thought the same thing about that. And Nietzsche says that
the two religions (Christianity and Buddhism) are identical in
one sense: that they are both religions of RESENTMENT.
What was most interesting to me is the way the Pope's comments
were 'kind of' correct descriptions of Buddhism at the beginnings
of most of his assertions, but then they all went too far and
pushed the assertion beyond anything that Buddhism or Buddha
proposes, by the end of his comment.
Been reading you two fellas with interest. No time now to skip
up the thread to see if anyone has commented on the source of
the "Pope's" comments. I believe I have somewhere learned that
he got his info and slants from Cardinal Ratzinger. It's somewhat
surprising that a Jesuit should have such misunderstanding (hatred,
even) of Buddhism, since, aside their general excellence of
scholarship, they have had first-hand experience of Buddhism in
Asia. Fr. LaSalle in Japan even caused Harada-roshi (the one who
was Yasutani's teacher) some consternation because he couldn't
see how he could give transmission to a non-Buddhist! There are
Catholic clergy who are recognized as Zen teachers (e.g.: Pat
Hawk < http://www.pathlesspath.org/pat.htm >).
One thing that disturbs me is that Ratzinger has been discussed
as a possible next pope. Fun & games with ecumenism then :)
---Messer Xin
I just posted something about him and the Congregation for the
Doctrine of the Faith.

It's like putting Putin in as President of Russia, or G.H.W. Bush
as US president. When the head of your secret service becomes the
head of state, it should set off some alarm bells.

Ned
Lazarhat
2005-04-07 01:37:03 UTC
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Post by Ned Ludd
Post by Messer Xin
Post by Roaming Iblis
Meanwhile, John Paul II sounds a little strange from a Christian
perspective when he criticizes Buddhism for allegedly having "the
conviction that the world is bad, that it is the source of evil and
suffering for man." Not only does this severely misunderstand
Buddhism, it sounds more like a critique of Christianity! Catholic
or Protestant, Christian talk about the evil of the world and the
worthlessness of the world fills volumes. (To be fair, you can find
Christians who will say that the world is really OK despite the Fall
of Adam and Eve because the world is still God's creation, etc., etc.,
but you won't hear this on most days.)
--Roaming Iblis
I thought the same thing about that. And Nietzsche says that
the two religions (Christianity and Buddhism) are identical in
one sense: that they are both religions of RESENTMENT.
What was most interesting to me is the way the Pope's comments
were 'kind of' correct descriptions of Buddhism at the beginnings
of most of his assertions, but then they all went too far and
pushed the assertion beyond anything that Buddhism or Buddha
proposes, by the end of his comment.
Been reading you two fellas with interest. No time now to skip
up the thread to see if anyone has commented on the source of
the "Pope's" comments. I believe I have somewhere learned that
he got his info and slants from Cardinal Ratzinger. It's somewhat
surprising that a Jesuit should have such misunderstanding (hatred,
even) of Buddhism, since, aside their general excellence of
scholarship, they have had first-hand experience of Buddhism in
Asia. Fr. LaSalle in Japan even caused Harada-roshi (the one who
was Yasutani's teacher) some consternation because he couldn't
see how he could give transmission to a non-Buddhist! There are
Catholic clergy who are recognized as Zen teachers (e.g.: Pat
Hawk < http://www.pathlesspath.org/pat.htm >).
One thing that disturbs me is that Ratzinger has been discussed
as a possible next pope. Fun & games with ecumenism then :)
---Messer Xin
I just posted something about him and the Congregation for the
Doctrine of the Faith.
It's like putting Putin in as President of Russia, or G.H.W. Bush
as US president. When the head of your secret service becomes the
head of state, it should set off some alarm bells.
Ned
Invisible hand. The real power behind the figurehead. Like Cheney, Karen
Hughes and Rove for G. W., n'est pas?
--
Awake is the new Sleep.
Sincerity is the new Irony.
Truth is the new Lie. -Lazarhat
Stavros of Pureshitland
2005-04-04 15:10:23 UTC
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Post by Roaming Iblis
Post by Daryl
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
He also referred to Buddhism in a very bad way. I wish that I
could remember his words.
http://www.yogichen.org/efiles/liberate.html#chapter7
--
Daryl
I also remember John Paul II making that negative reference to
Buddhism, which I recalled as something like "Buddhism is an atheistic
religion" (definitely not good as far as the Pope was concerned). That
remark seemed odd considering how much effort he spent in ecumenical
activities and "outreach" to other Christians, Jews, and even Muslims.
But during his tenure such efforts were paralleled by reiteration of
hard-line positions and agendas coming out of the Vatican (protestants
are basically still going to hell, Anglicans should hook up with and
submit to Rome again, and, ideally, so should the Eastern Orthodox!)
I haven't read the Pope's book as cited by Yutang Lin in the
sort of a Buddhist's misunderstanding a Christian's misunderstanding
of Buddhism.
--Roaming Iblis
He and his cronies tried to get the Buddhist religious leaders
barred from the 1995 centenary celebration of the Council of
World Religions. I.e. Because there is no God, it can't be a
religion. Likewise attempts were made to bar Wiccans.
Nowhere is the monopolistic tendency of every large organization
of every sector of society more apparent than in the Catholic
Church.
Ned
Btw, that Yutang Lin's reply to the Pope's criticisms of Buddhism
was exceptional. (For a scholar, ha.) I'm thinking of posting
the whole section here, just for good measure. And you're right,
Iblis, there was misunderstanding on both sides. But the Pope's
was the size of Mount Sumaru, and Lin's was the size of a mustard
seed.
[From the Pope's book:]
12. Carmelite mysticism begins at the point where the reflections of
Buddha end, together with his instructions for the spiritual life. [p. 87]
{Reply:]
Comment: Buddha's teachings point to the ultimate reality without
creating limitations by the wordings. Any ending of Buddha's teachings
exists only in the eyes of the beholder.
According to BBC News Some think that Cardinal Ratzinger will be his
successor. The following is from his fan club:

As Grand Inquisitor for Mother Rome, Ratzinger keeps himself busy in service
to the Truth: correcting theological error, silencing dissenting
theologians, and stomping down heresy wherever it may rear its ugly head --
and, consequently, has received somewhat of a notorious reputation among the
liberal media and 'enlightened' intelligentsia of pseudo-Catholic
universities
Donald Shepherd
2005-04-04 20:35:08 UTC
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Post by Ned Ludd
Comment: Buddha's teachings point to the ultimate reality without
creating limitations by the wordings. Any ending of Buddha's
teachings exists only in the eyes of the beholder.
According to BBC News Some think that Cardinal Ratzinger will be
As Grand Inquisitor for Mother Rome, Ratzinger keeps himself busy
in service to the Truth: correcting theological error, silencing
dissenting theologians, and stomping down heresy wherever it may
rear its ugly head -- and, consequently, has received somewhat
of a notorious reputation among the liberal media and 'enlightened'
intelligentsia of pseudo-Catholic universities
If I remember correctly, P.K. Harvey always used to refer to
Ratzinger as, "that guy with the 1000-yard stare".
Ned
Ratzinger - There's the name for a fairy-tale villain for you!!!

Don
Ned Ludd
2005-04-04 23:20:29 UTC
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Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Ned Ludd
Comment: Buddha's teachings point to the ultimate reality without
creating limitations by the wordings. Any ending of Buddha's
teachings exists only in the eyes of the beholder.
According to BBC News Some think that Cardinal Ratzinger will be
As Grand Inquisitor for Mother Rome, Ratzinger keeps himself busy
in service to the Truth: correcting theological error, silencing
dissenting theologians, and stomping down heresy wherever it may
rear its ugly head -- and, consequently, has received somewhat
of a notorious reputation among the liberal media and 'enlightened'
intelligentsia of pseudo-Catholic universities
If I remember correctly, P.K. Harvey always used to refer to
Ratzinger as, "that guy with the 1000-yard stare".
Ratzinger - There's the name for a fairy-tale villain for you!!!
Don
Un-huh, and do you know what Office in the Vatican he is the
head of?

Ned

(And, btw, I am SURE that the 'answers' given by the Pope, which
Yutang Lin replied to, were all written, or directly approved by,
Ratzinger.)
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2005-04-05 01:46:41 UTC
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Post by Donald Shepherd
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Ned Ludd
Comment: Buddha's teachings point to the ultimate reality without
creating limitations by the wordings. Any ending of Buddha's
teachings exists only in the eyes of the beholder.
According to BBC News Some think that Cardinal Ratzinger will be
As Grand Inquisitor for Mother Rome, Ratzinger keeps himself busy
in service to the Truth: correcting theological error, silencing
dissenting theologians, and stomping down heresy wherever it may
rear its ugly head -- and, consequently, has received somewhat
of a notorious reputation among the liberal media and 'enlightened'
intelligentsia of pseudo-Catholic universities
If I remember correctly, P.K. Harvey always used to refer to
Ratzinger as, "that guy with the 1000-yard stare".
Ratzinger - There's the name for a fairy-tale villain for you!!!
Don
Un-huh, and do you know what Office in the Vatican he is the
head of?
Ned
(And, btw, I am SURE that the 'answers' given by the Pope, which
Yutang Lin replied to, were all written, or directly approved by,
Ratzinger.)
Didn't he already say "the office of the Grand Inquisitor of the Holy
See"?
--
Awake is the new Sleep.
Sincerity is the new Irony.
Truth is the new Lie. -Lazarhat
Ned Ludd
2005-04-05 15:15:44 UTC
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Post by Donald Shepherd
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Ned Ludd
Comment: Buddha's teachings point to the ultimate reality without
creating limitations by the wordings. Any ending of Buddha's
teachings exists only in the eyes of the beholder.
According to BBC News Some think that Cardinal Ratzinger will be
As Grand Inquisitor for Mother Rome, Ratzinger keeps himself busy
in service to the Truth: correcting theological error, silencing
dissenting theologians, and stomping down heresy wherever it may
rear its ugly head -- and, consequently, has received somewhat
of a notorious reputation among the liberal media and 'enlightened'
intelligentsia of pseudo-Catholic universities
If I remember correctly, P.K. Harvey always used to refer to
Ratzinger as, "that guy with the 1000-yard stare".
Ratzinger - There's the name for a fairy-tale villain for you!!!
Don
Un-huh, and do you know what Office in the Vatican he is the
head of?
Ned
(And, btw, I am SURE that the 'answers' given by the Pope, which
Yutang Lin replied to, were all written, or directly approved by,
Ratzinger.)
Didn't he already say "the office of the Grand Inquisitor of the Holy
See"?
Tsk, tsk. They don't call it that any more.

Ned
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2005-04-06 08:47:38 UTC
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Post by Donald Shepherd
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by Ned Ludd
Comment: Buddha's teachings point to the ultimate reality without
creating limitations by the wordings. Any ending of Buddha's
teachings exists only in the eyes of the beholder.
According to BBC News Some think that Cardinal Ratzinger will be
As Grand Inquisitor for Mother Rome, Ratzinger keeps himself busy
in service to the Truth: correcting theological error, silencing
dissenting theologians, and stomping down heresy wherever it may
rear its ugly head -- and, consequently, has received somewhat
of a notorious reputation among the liberal media and
'enlightened'
Post by Ned Ludd
Post by Lazarhat
Post by Ned Ludd
Post by Donald Shepherd
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
intelligentsia of pseudo-Catholic universities
If I remember correctly, P.K. Harvey always used to refer to
Ratzinger as, "that guy with the 1000-yard stare".
Ratzinger - There's the name for a fairy-tale villain for you!!!
Don
Un-huh, and do you know what Office in the Vatican he is the
head of?
Ned
(And, btw, I am SURE that the 'answers' given by the Pope, which
Yutang Lin replied to, were all written, or directly approved by,
Ratzinger.)
Didn't he already say "the office of the Grand Inquisitor of the Holy
See"?
Tsk, tsk. They don't call it that any more.
Ned
But it's ever so much better than just shouting "hey, dickhead!".
--
Awake is the new Sleep.
Sincerity is the new Irony.
Truth is the new Lie. -Lazarhat
Stavros of Pureshitland
2005-04-06 10:43:33 UTC
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Post by Ned Ludd
Comment: Buddha's teachings point to the ultimate reality without
creating limitations by the wordings. Any ending of Buddha's
teachings exists only in the eyes of the beholder.
According to BBC News Some think that Cardinal Ratzinger will be
As Grand Inquisitor for Mother Rome, Ratzinger keeps himself busy
in service to the Truth: correcting theological error, silencing
dissenting theologians, and stomping down heresy wherever it may
rear its ugly head -- and, consequently, has received somewhat
of a notorious reputation among the liberal media and
'enlightened'
Post by Ned Ludd
Post by Lazarhat
Post by Ned Ludd
Post by Donald Shepherd
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
intelligentsia of pseudo-Catholic universities
If I remember correctly, P.K. Harvey always used to refer to
Ratzinger as, "that guy with the 1000-yard stare".
Ratzinger - There's the name for a fairy-tale villain for you!!!
Don
Un-huh, and do you know what Office in the Vatican he is the
head of?
Ned
(And, btw, I am SURE that the 'answers' given by the Pope, which
Yutang Lin replied to, were all written, or directly approved by,
Ratzinger.)
Didn't he already say "the office of the Grand Inquisitor of the Holy
See"?
Tsk, tsk. They don't call it that any more.
Ned
But it's ever so much better than just shouting "hey, dickhead!".
He is head of CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
Ned Ludd
2005-04-06 14:16:44 UTC
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Post by Lazarhat
Post by Ned Ludd
Un-huh, and do you know what Office in the Vatican he is the
head of?
Ned
(And, btw, I am SURE that the 'answers' given by the Pope, which
Yutang Lin replied to, were all written, or directly approved by,
Ratzinger.)
Didn't he already say "the office of the Grand Inquisitor of the
Holy See"?
Tsk, tsk. They don't call it that any more.
But it's ever so much better than just shouting "hey, dickhead!".
He is head of CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
And a charming name to accompany such a charming face!

It's a CONGREGATION. Yeah, that's what it is... just a group of
people all congregated for a common purpose. And it's DOCTRINE,
because what would the church be without doctrine? (Just a bunch
of people waiting around for Jesus to tell them if they're going
to heaven or hell.)

And most importantly it's FAITH. Because faith is the backbone
of the church, and its legs, and its arms, and its ribs, and its
fingers and toes. And the head of that office, and the men who
have worked for him throughout history have a complete set of
little hammers, shiny silver hammers of various sizes, which are
of exactly-calculated weights required to break the fingers, toes,
femurs, wrists, ribs and spines of the people they dragged from
their homes and put into prisons, to torture to DEATH because
they were accused of being heretics.

Praise GOD!

Ned
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Post by Ned Ludd
Comment: Buddha's teachings point to the ultimate reality without
creating limitations by the wordings. Any ending of Buddha's
teachings exists only in the eyes of the beholder.
According to BBC News Some think that Cardinal Ratzinger will be
As Grand Inquisitor for Mother Rome, Ratzinger keeps himself busy
in service to the Truth: correcting theological error, silencing
dissenting theologians, and stomping down heresy wherever it may
rear its ugly head -- and, consequently, has received somewhat
of a notorious reputation among the liberal media and
'enlightened'
Post by Ned Ludd
Post by Lazarhat
Post by Ned Ludd
Post by Donald Shepherd
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
intelligentsia of pseudo-Catholic universities
If I remember correctly, P.K. Harvey always used to refer to
Ratzinger as, "that guy with the 1000-yard stare".
Ratzinger - There's the name for a fairy-tale villain for you!!!
Don
Un-huh, and do you know what Office in the Vatican he is the
head of?
Ned
(And, btw, I am SURE that the 'answers' given by the Pope, which
Yutang Lin replied to, were all written, or directly approved by,
Ratzinger.)
Didn't he already say "the office of the Grand Inquisitor of the Holy
See"?
Tsk, tsk. They don't call it that any more.
Ned
But it's ever so much better than just shouting "hey, dickhead!".
get your t shirts now

http://www.cafepress.com/ratzfanclub
Ned Ludd
2005-04-06 13:48:05 UTC
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Post by Ned Ludd
Un-huh, and do you know what Office in the Vatican he is the
head of?
Ned
(And, btw, I am SURE that the 'answers' given by the Pope, which
Yutang Lin replied to, were all written, or directly approved by,
Ratzinger.)
Didn't he already say "the office of the Grand Inquisitor of the Holy
See"?
Tsk, tsk. They don't call it that any more.
But it's ever so much better than just shouting "hey, dickhead!".
get your t shirts now
http://www.cafepress.com/ratzfanclub
My goodness, what a charming picture! If that doesn't put the
fear of God in ya...

Ned
Ned Ludd
2005-04-04 20:23:27 UTC
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Post by Ned Ludd
Comment: Buddha's teachings point to the ultimate reality without
creating limitations by the wordings. Any ending of Buddha's
teachings exists only in the eyes of the beholder.
According to BBC News Some think that Cardinal Ratzinger will be
As Grand Inquisitor for Mother Rome, Ratzinger keeps himself busy
in service to the Truth: correcting theological error, silencing
dissenting theologians, and stomping down heresy wherever it may
rear its ugly head -- and, consequently, has received somewhat
of a notorious reputation among the liberal media and 'enlightened'
intelligentsia of pseudo-Catholic universities
If I remember correctly, P.K. Harvey always used to refer to
Ratzinger as, "that guy with the 1000-yard stare".

Ned
Roaming Iblis
2005-04-04 20:48:50 UTC
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According to BBC News Some think that Cardinal Ratzinger will be his
successor. . . .
I suppose it could be Ratzinger, but I doubt it. Unpleasant and
unrepentant as Ratzinger's extremism is, he's really just a
functionary. I don't think the papal electors will be that clueless
about whom they need at the top.

--Roaming Iblis
dt
2005-04-04 16:26:04 UTC
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Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by William Hursthouse
On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 20:30:44 GMT, "Stavros of Pureshitland"
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer the
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
I am getting up in age. I will be 61 on the 29th. . Every time I pick up
the paper and read about some famous person dying in there 50s, I have a
feeling of satisfaction. However there is that wonder. Is a long life that
good? Compared to eternity our life span is insignificant. Yet I do what
ever is needed to keep mine going. Many older people die and the doctors
have not reason for the death other than old age. They get to a certain
point where holding on is more difficult then letting go. The purpose of
life is death.
"I am of the nature to grow old. I cannot escape growing old.
I am of the nature to have ill-health. I cannot escape having ill-health.
I am of the nature to die. There is no way to escape death.
All that is dear to me and everyone I love are of the nature to change.
There is no way to escape being separated from them.
I inherit the results of my actions in body, speech and mind. My actions
are the ground on which I stand."
Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
Post by William Hursthouse
As far as I can see, all argument supporting the meaning of life being
anything more than what we suppose it to be depend on faith and are
therefore difficult to make convincing to those lacking this
.....gift/curse
Personally, I believe this pope was a great deal better than many of
his predecessors in that he brought hope, inspiration and happiness to
countless numbers. For that he deserves respect. The fact that he had
a couple of blind spots re birth control and same sex marriage does
not diminish the good he accomplished.
No one is perfect.
He also referred to Buddhism in a very bad way. I wish that I could
remember his words.
Funny; I don't ever remember hearing HHtheDL dissin' Catholicism. You'd think there'd be some sort of reciprocal professional courtesy, wouldn't you?

DT
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Kirsten Bayes
2005-04-03 09:41:17 UTC
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Post by Stavros of Pureshitland
The pope is dead, ending one of the longest papacy. Prince Rainer the
longest European reign is also on his deathbed.
My hope is that he has a human rebirth, in a time and place where dharma
teachings are readily available. May he then put an end to suffering.

Best wishes
Kirsten
--
http://www.bayes.org.uk
cupcake
2005-04-03 14:16:52 UTC
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when told that an American would never be accepted
as Pope, Ah-nold was heard to retort:

"... but i'm Austrian!... Hiel... oops, strike
that -- ... wrong movie :)"
Sanford Manley
2005-04-03 14:36:34 UTC
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Post by cupcake
when told that an American would never be accepted
"... but i'm Austrian!... Hiel... oops, strike
that -- ... wrong movie :)"
That would make such a great movie...
He could call himself...the Popinator.

I can see him blessing the host and then
flinging it out to the crowd like a frisbee!

"Look, I am the Massinator! I represent
the Christinator...he said "eat me." You must
obey"

I would like to see Patrick Stewart do it:

To the crowd: "Make it so!"

Can you see Captain Kirk?:

"Take and eat (long pause) THIS
IS-MY-BODY!"


Can you see Stavros in Vatican Square?

"Now God brought us into this world
naked...and its a nice sunny day..."

"Here...this is high fiber host...I want
to show you the new papal throne...
..I want you to give a shit..."

If I were Pope?...well I will post about that
later.
--
Sanford M. Manley
"Life is a sexually transmitted disease."
I am The Ansaman! http://www.ansaman.com
AOL IM: ansamancom
cupcake
2005-04-03 14:49:19 UTC
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Fidel Castro Sends Condolences to Vatican, Declares Three Days of
Mourning for Pope's Death

By Vanessa Arrington Associated Press Writer
Published: Apr 3, 2005



HAVANA (AP) - Cuban President Fidel Castro expressed condolences for
the death of Pope John Paul II and declared three days of official
mourning on the communist-run island beginning Sunday.
cupcake
2005-04-03 15:12:42 UTC
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Would-Be Assassin Mourning Pope's Death


By SELCAN HACAOGLU
Associated Press Writer
April 3, 2005, 8:31 AM EDT


ANKARA, Turkey -- Mehmet Ali Agca, the Turkish gunman who seriously
wounded the pope during a 1981 assassination attempt, is mourning the
pope's death from his Turkish prison cell, his brother said Sunday.
Adnan Agca said his brother told him Wednesday in Istanbul's Kartal
prison that he hoped the pope lived a bit longer.
"I know that he is in mourning. I feel that he is in deep sorrow over
the death of the pope, who was like a brother to him," Adnan Agca told
The Associated Press by telephone.
cupcake
2005-04-03 16:35:18 UTC
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Jordan mourns Pope John Paul II



AMMAN, Jordan, April 3 (UPI) -- Jordan's King Abdullah Sunday mourned
the death of Pope John Paul II, saying he HAD dedicated his life to
peace and solidarity among nations and religions.

The official Jordan News Agency, Petra, quoted the monarch as saying
the late Pope had constantly worked towards solidarity between the
developed and developing countries, "defending peace, freedom and
love, easing the suffering of humanity as a whole."
Stumper
2005-04-03 17:51:40 UTC
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Jordan mourns Pope John Paul II
AMMAN, Jordan, April 3 (UPI) -- Jordan's King Abdullah Sunday mourned
the death of Pope John Paul II, saying he HAD dedicated his life to
peace and solidarity among nations and religions.
The official Jordan News Agency, Petra, quoted the monarch as saying
the late Pope had constantly worked towards solidarity between the
developed and developing countries, "defending peace, freedom and
love, easing the suffering of humanity as a whole."
Are you trying to say
you also mourn the death of Pope John Paul II?
Got it.
cupcake
2005-04-06 19:55:29 UTC
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River of Humanity Sweeps Into Rome in Joyous Outpouring to Bid
Farewell to Pope

By Niko Price Associated Press Writer
Published: Apr 6, 2005


VATICAN CITY (AP) - A river of humanity is sweeping into Rome, the
most lustrous assemblage of religious celebrities, royals, heads of
state and simple pilgrims in world history. They are flooding broad
avenues, flowing down ancient cobblestoned alleyways and spilling out
into a towering marble hall holding the body of Pope John Paul II.

In a spontaneous celebration more joyous than mournful, more than a
million people waited peacefully Wednesday for up to 24 hours for a
glimpse of John Paul, a pope who took his message of peace to nearly
every corner of the planet.

"He went out into the world," Congolese pilgrim Lambert Chakirou said
over the beat of a bongo drum. "And now the world is coming to him."

The multitudes filled barricaded streets, singing to the music of
guitars, waving flags to announce their hometowns and holding
umbrellas to ward off the sun. They clapped and chanted "Giovanni
Paolo!" They embraced, and they wept.

"I think he's watching from above, and he's still doing his work,"
said Dindy Rossi, a 42-year-old dentist from Manila, capital of the
Philippines, where John Paul drew his largest crowd ever in 1995,
estimated at between 2 million and 5 million people.

"There is something that draws people to him," she said, "something we
don't understand."

Rossi joined the end of the line at noon Wednesday with her 9-year-old
daughter Ariana. Officials were estimating the wait at up to 24 hours,
but she didn't care. She carried a backpack with supplies: lunch,
dinner and cereal for breakfast - "just in case."

"He touched my heart," she said. "We don't mind the wait."
cupcake
2005-04-06 20:39:03 UTC
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Bush Will View Pontiff's Body


By Tom Raum Associated Press Writer
Published: Apr 6, 2005


ROME (AP) - President Bush and two of his predecessors arrived in Rome
on Wednesday to join world leaders in paying a final tribute to Pope
John Paul II, whose papacy spanned the terms of five American
presidents.

Bush was to view the pontiff's body soon after his arrival, Vatican
spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said.
Stumper
2005-04-06 20:42:11 UTC
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Bush Will View Pontiff's Body
By Tom Raum Associated Press Writer
Published: Apr 6, 2005
ROME (AP) - President Bush and two of his predecessors arrived in Rome
on Wednesday to join world leaders in paying a final tribute to Pope
John Paul II, whose papacy spanned the terms of five American
presidents.
Bush was to view the pontiff's body soon after his arrival, Vatican
spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said.
You mean he does not have to stand in line?
Will he be treated that way in heaven as well?
willyboy
2005-04-06 20:45:29 UTC
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Bush was to view the pontiff's body soon after his arrival,
Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said.
You mean he does not have to stand in line? Will he be treated that
way in heaven as well?
Heaven? Ha! That's a good one...
cupcake
2005-04-06 20:47:40 UTC
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Re: President Bush will spend three days in Rome -- this is unprecedented! --
Dalai Lama does puja in Benares..."
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Bush Will View Pontiff's Body
By Tom Raum Associated Press Writer
Published: Apr 6, 2005
ROME (AP) - President Bush and two of his predecessors arrived in Rome
on Wednesday to join world leaders in paying a final tribute to Pope
John Paul II, whose papacy spanned the terms of five American
presidents.
Bush was to view the pontiff's body soon after his arrival, Vatican
spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said.
You mean he does not have to stand in line?
Will he be treated that way in heaven as well?
he's the Commander-in-Chief -- the fix is in ;)
Julian Love God
2005-04-06 21:05:02 UTC
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Re: President Bush will spend three days in Rome -- this is
unprecedented! --
Post by cupcake
Dalai Lama does puja in Benares..."
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:42:11 -0400
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Bush Will View Pontiff's Body
By Tom Raum Associated Press Writer
Published: Apr 6, 2005
ROME (AP) - President Bush and two of his predecessors arrived
in Rome
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on Wednesday to join world leaders in paying a final tribute
to Pope
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John Paul II, whose papacy spanned the terms of five American
presidents.
Bush was to view the pontiff's body soon after his arrival,
Vatican
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spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said.
You mean he does not have to stand in line?
Will he be treated that way in heaven as well?
he's the Commander-in-Chief -- the fix is in ;)
I saw him get down on his knees in front of the Pope's corpse.
I hope he didn't touch it,
nick a relic or somesuch?
Bible Studies with Satan
2005-04-06 20:56:27 UTC
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Re: President Bush will spend three days in Rome -- this is unprecedented! --
Dalai Lama does puja in Benares..."
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Bush Will View Pontiff's Body
By Tom Raum Associated Press Writer
Published: Apr 6, 2005
ROME (AP) - President Bush and two of his predecessors arrived in Rome
on Wednesday to join world leaders in paying a final tribute to Pope
John Paul II, whose papacy spanned the terms of five American
presidents.
Bush was to view the pontiff's body soon after his arrival, Vatican
spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said.
You mean he does not have to stand in line?
Will he be treated that way in heaven as well?
he's the Commander-in-Chief -- the fix is in ;)
I saw him get down on his knees in front of the Pope's corpse.
cupcake
2005-04-06 21:00:06 UTC
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Re: President Bush will spend three days in Rome -- this is unprecedented! --
Dalai Lama does puja in Benares..."
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Re: President Bush will spend three days in Rome -- this is unprecedented! -
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Bush Will View Pontiff's Body
By Tom Raum Associated Press Writer
Published: Apr 6, 2005
ROME (AP) - President Bush and two of his predecessors arrived in Rome
on Wednesday to join world leaders in paying a final tribute to Pope
John Paul II, whose papacy spanned the terms of five American
presidents.
Bush was to view the pontiff's body soon after his arrival, Vatican
spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said.
You mean he does not have to stand in line?
Will he be treated that way in heaven as well?
he's the Commander-in-Chief -- the fix is in ;)
I saw him get down on his knees in front of the Pope's corpse.
good for him -- a little humility is good for all of us

-- ... i heard he cried during the "war room session"
right after Sept. 11, too -- good man...
Donald Shepherd
2005-04-06 20:53:39 UTC
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Bush Will View Pontiff's Body
By Tom Raum Associated Press Writer
Published: Apr 6, 2005
ROME (AP) - President Bush and two of his predecessors arrived in Rome
on Wednesday to join world leaders in paying a final tribute to Pope
John Paul II, whose papacy spanned the terms of five American
presidents.
Bush was to view the pontiff's body soon after his arrival, Vatican
spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said.
You mean he does not have to stand in line?
Will he be treated that way in heaven as well?
Heaven is not on his itinerary.

Don
cupcake
2005-04-06 23:13:54 UTC
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High security rolled out for papal funeral


ROME, April 6 (UPI) -- Anti-missile systems and NATO forces were being
mustered and installed in and around Rome Wednesday, two days before
Pope John Paul II's funeral.

The Italian air force stepped up fighter-jet protection of the capital
to guard against terrorist attacks, and U.S.-made F-16 fighters will
join in patrolling the skies above the Vatican, the Italian defense
ministry told the Washington Times. A warship will also be on standby
in the Mediterranean.

Hawk anti-aircraft missile-defense systems also are being set up
around Rome while a NATO AWACS surveillance aircraft with
radar-coverage range of 210 miles have also been deployed.

Italian authorities have set up tent cities at the Vatican, and there
have been estimates Rome's population of about 2.6 million could
triple in the run-up to Friday's funeral.

U.S. President Bush and first lady Laura Bush will be accompanied by
former Presidents Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush at the funeral.
Nearly 200 other world leaders will attend, including British Prime
Minister Tony Blair, Prince Charles and Iranian President Mohammad
Khatami.

John Paul died Saturday at the age of 84.
cupcake
2005-04-07 16:04:52 UTC
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Dalai Lama speaks out for wildlife


NEW DELHI, April 7 (UPI) -- The Dalai Lama has asked for an end to
illegal wildlife trafficking between Nepal, Tibet, India and China by
appealing to people's religious sensibilities.

At a press conference in New Delhi Wednesday, the religious leader,
joined by representatives of British charity Care for the Wild
International and the Wildlife Trust of India, spoke about the damage
illegal trading can cause, the BBC reported.

He especially appealed to fellow Tibetans living in exile -- who are
increasingly involved in illegal wildlife trafficking -- to remember
their dedication to Buddhist non-violence. Last year Tibetan officials
intercepted skins of 32 tigers, 579 leopards and 665 otters in a
single shipment.
Julian Love God
2005-04-07 16:16:25 UTC
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Dalai Lama speaks out for wildlife
NEW DELHI, April 7 (UPI) -- The Dalai Lama has asked for an end to
illegal wildlife trafficking between Nepal, Tibet, India and China by
appealing to people's religious sensibilities.
At a press conference in New Delhi Wednesday, the religious
leader,
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joined by representatives of British charity Care for the Wild
International and the Wildlife Trust of India, spoke about the damage
illegal trading can cause, the BBC reported.
He especially appealed to fellow Tibetans living in exile -- who are
increasingly involved in illegal wildlife trafficking -- to
remember
Post by cupcake
their dedication to Buddhist non-violence. Last year Tibetan officials
intercepted skins of 32 tigers, 579 leopards and 665 otters in a
single shipment.
Blood all gone no doubt...
cupcake
2005-04-07 16:21:43 UTC
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Dalai Lama speaks out for wildlife


NEW DELHI, April 7 (UPI) -- The Dalai Lama has asked for an end to
illegal wildlife trafficking between Nepal, Tibet, India and China by
appealing to people's religious sensibilities.

At a press conference in New Delhi Wednesday, the religious leader,
joined by representatives of British charity Care for the Wild
International and the Wildlife Trust of India, spoke about the damage
illegal trading can cause, the BBC reported.

He especially appealed to fellow Tibetans living in exile -- who are
increasingly involved in illegal wildlife trafficking -- to remember
their dedication to Buddhist non-violence. Last year Tibetan officials
intercepted skins of 32 tigers, 579 leopards and 665 otters in a
single shipment.
Julian Love God
2005-04-07 16:45:13 UTC
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Dalai Lama speaks out for wildlife
NEW DELHI, April 7 (UPI) -- The Dalai Lama has asked for an end to
illegal wildlife trafficking between Nepal, Tibet, India and China by
appealing to people's religious sensibilities.
At a press conference in New Delhi Wednesday, the religious
leader,
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joined by representatives of British charity Care for the Wild
International and the Wildlife Trust of India, spoke about the damage
illegal trading can cause, the BBC reported.
He especially appealed to fellow Tibetans living in exile -- who are
increasingly involved in illegal wildlife trafficking -- to
remember
Post by cupcake
their dedication to Buddhist non-violence. Last year Tibetan officials
intercepted skins of 32 tigers, 579 leopards and 665 otters in a
single shipment.
Mongolian Wisdom

When things go well, the priests proclaim:
'It is because of the priests that things go well!!!'
When things go badly, they advise:
'It is due to karma.'"
cupcake
2005-04-07 16:50:37 UTC
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Re: The entire planet is bursting at the seams in Rome, and the fricking Dalai
Lama is whining about tiger body parts...
Reply to: [1]"Julian Love God"
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Dalai Lama speaks out for wildlife
NEW DELHI, April 7 (UPI) -- The Dalai Lama has asked for an end to
illegal wildlife trafficking between Nepal, Tibet, India and China
by
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appealing to people's religious sensibilities.
At a press conference in New Delhi Wednesday, the religious
leader,
Post by cupcake
joined by representatives of British charity Care for the Wild
International and the Wildlife Trust of India, spoke about the
damage
Post by cupcake
illegal trading can cause, the BBC reported.
He especially appealed to fellow Tibetans living in exile -- who
are
Post by cupcake
increasingly involved in illegal wildlife trafficking -- to
remember
Post by cupcake
their dedication to Buddhist non-violence. Last year Tibetan
officials
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intercepted skins of 32 tigers, 579 leopards and 665 otters in a
single shipment.
Mongolian Wisdom
'It is because of the priests that things go well!!!'
'It is due to karma.'"
iz that where the term "mongoloid" came from?
Julian Love God
2005-04-07 16:58:29 UTC
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Re: The entire planet is bursting at the seams in Rome, and the fricking Dalai
Lama is whining about tiger body parts...
Reply to: [1]"Julian Love God"
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Dalai Lama speaks out for wildlife
NEW DELHI, April 7 (UPI) -- The Dalai Lama has asked for an end to
illegal wildlife trafficking between Nepal, Tibet, India and China
by
Post by cupcake
appealing to people's religious sensibilities.
At a press conference in New Delhi Wednesday, the religious
leader,
Post by cupcake
joined by representatives of British charity Care for the Wild
International and the Wildlife Trust of India, spoke about the
damage
Post by cupcake
illegal trading can cause, the BBC reported.
He especially appealed to fellow Tibetans living in exile -- who
are
Post by cupcake
increasingly involved in illegal wildlife trafficking -- to
remember
Post by cupcake
their dedication to Buddhist non-violence. Last year Tibetan
officials
Post by cupcake
intercepted skins of 32 tigers, 579 leopards and 665 otters in a
single shipment.
Mongolian Wisdom
'It is because of the priests that things go well!!!'
'It is due to karma.'"
iz that where the term "mongoloid" came from?
I thought 'twas Devo.

Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
Happier than you and me
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
One chromosome too many
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see
And he wore a hat
And he had a job
And he brought home the bacon
So that no one knew
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
His friends were unaware
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
Nobody even cared
cupcake
2005-04-07 17:02:52 UTC
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Re: The entire planet is bursting at the seams in Rome, and the fricking Dalai
Lama is whining about tiger body parts...
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Re: The entire planet is bursting at the seams in Rome, and the
fricking Dalai
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Lama is whining about tiger body parts...
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Dalai Lama speaks out for wildlife
NEW DELHI, April 7 (UPI) -- The Dalai Lama has asked for an end
to
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illegal wildlife trafficking between Nepal, Tibet, India and
China
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by
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appealing to people's religious sensibilities.
At a press conference in New Delhi Wednesday, the religious
leader,
Post by cupcake
joined by representatives of British charity Care for the Wild
International and the Wildlife Trust of India, spoke about the
damage
Post by cupcake
illegal trading can cause, the BBC reported.
He especially appealed to fellow Tibetans living in exile --
who
Post by cupcake
are
Post by cupcake
increasingly involved in illegal wildlife trafficking -- to
remember
Post by cupcake
their dedication to Buddhist non-violence. Last year Tibetan
officials
Post by cupcake
intercepted skins of 32 tigers, 579 leopards and 665 otters in
a
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single shipment.
Mongolian Wisdom
'It is because of the priests that things go well!!!'
'It is due to karma.'"
iz that where the term "mongoloid" came from?
I thought 'twas Devo.
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
Happier than you and me
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
One chromosome too many
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
And it determined what he could see
And he wore a hat
And he had a job
And he brought home the bacon
So that no one knew
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
His friends were unaware
Mongoloid he was a mongoloid
Nobody even cared
that's exactly what is see about Down Syndrome people --
they are very special -- i love them --


i didn't know that anyone else cud see clearly enough
to say it :)
cupcake
2005-04-07 17:18:50 UTC
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Thu Apr 7,11:15 AM ET
Reuters


A Polish pilgrim weeps as she waits among thousands of faithful to
enter Saint Peter's Basilica, to pay last respects to the late
Pope John Paul II at the Vatican, April 7, 2005. The funeral
of the Pope on Friday will draw the biggest gathering of the powerful
and the humble in modern times. Four kings, five queens, at least 70
presidents and prime ministers and more than 14 leaders of other
religions will attend alongside what the Vatican expects will be two
million faithful; the largest number of pilgrims to converge on St.
Peter's Square in its history.
cupcake
2005-04-07 17:41:27 UTC
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it wud have been a simply devine scene if the Dalai Lama
had attended the funeral on Friday and simply stood humbly
at the back of the chamber....
cupcake
2005-04-07 17:49:50 UTC
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it wud have been a simply devine scene if the Dalai Lama
had attended the funeral on Friday and simply stood humbly
at the back of the chamber....
but, the Dalai Lama has got neither the style nor
the class, nor the native intelligence to even
think of such a thing...
cupcake
2005-04-07 18:07:45 UTC
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it wud have been a simply devine scene if the Dalai Lama
had attended the funeral on Friday and simply stood humbly
at the back of the chamber....
but, the Dalai Lama has got neither the style nor
the class, nor the native intelligence to even
think of such a thing...
rather, he wuz probably demanding the seat in
front of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who isn't
even gonna be there!


bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ha!
cupcake
2005-04-07 18:14:10 UTC
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it wud have been a simply devine scene if the Dalai Lama
had attended the funeral on Friday and simply stood humbly
at the back of the chamber....
but, the Dalai Lama has got neither the style nor
the class, nor the native intelligence to even
think of such a thing...
rather, he wuz probably demanding the seat in
front of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who isn't
even gonna be there!
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ha!
i think the Dalai Lama is a one-trick-pony
Donald Shepherd
2005-04-07 18:24:55 UTC
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it wud have been a simply devine scene if the Dalai Lama
had attended the funeral on Friday and simply stood humbly
at the back of the chamber....
but, the Dalai Lama has got neither the style nor
the class, nor the native intelligence to even
think of such a thing...
rather, he wuz probably demanding the seat in
front of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who isn't
even gonna be there!
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ha!
i think the Dalai Lama is a one-trick-pony
How many tricks do you know?

Don
Pete Watters
2005-04-08 01:04:11 UTC
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it wud have been a simply devine scene if the Dalai Lama
had attended the funeral on Friday and simply stood humbly
at the back of the chamber....
but, the Dalai Lama has got neither the style nor
the class, nor the native intelligence to even
think of such a thing...
rather, he wuz probably demanding the seat in
front of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who isn't
even gonna be there!
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ha!
i think the Dalai Lama is a one-trick-pony
How many tricks do you know?
Shhhhh. If you interrupt, cuppie can't hear when he talks to himself.

Pete (wonder what else he does with himself...)
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read it." -- Kirsten Bayes
cupcake
2005-04-07 19:19:55 UTC
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Post by cupcake
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it wud have been a simply devine scene if the Dalai Lama
had attended the funeral on Friday and simply stood humbly
at the back of the chamber....
but, the Dalai Lama has got neither the style nor
the class, nor the native intelligence to even
think of such a thing...
rather, he wuz probably demanding the seat in
front of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who isn't
even gonna be there!
and, when the Vatican replied:

"that's not possible"

the Dalai Lama cut off all discussions...

what a dumb ass!
Post by cupcake
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ha!
Julian Love God
2005-04-07 20:03:55 UTC
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Post by cupcake
Post by cupcake
Post by cupcake
it wud have been a simply devine scene if the Dalai Lama
had attended the funeral on Friday and simply stood humbly
at the back of the chamber....
but, the Dalai Lama has got neither the style nor
the class, nor the native intelligence to even
think of such a thing...
rather, he wuz probably demanding the seat in
front of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who isn't
even gonna be there!
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ha!
His Rolex kept triggering the metal-detectors but
he refused to take them all off.
cupcake
2005-04-07 20:06:51 UTC
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Re: 4 kings, 5 queens, 70 presidents, ... and no Dalai Lama...
Reply to: [1]"Julian Love God"
Date: 7 Apr 2005 13:03:55 -0700
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[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
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Post by cupcake
Post by cupcake
Post by cupcake
it wud have been a simply devine scene if the Dalai Lama
had attended the funeral on Friday and simply stood humbly
at the back of the chamber....
but, the Dalai Lama has got neither the style nor
the class, nor the native intelligence to even
think of such a thing...
rather, he wuz probably demanding the seat in
front of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who isn't
even gonna be there!
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ha!
His Rolex kept triggering the metal-detectors but
he refused to take them all off.
i wudn't'a let him into the country either...
Julian Love God
2005-04-07 20:12:00 UTC
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Post by cupcake
Re: 4 kings, 5 queens, 70 presidents, ... and no Dalai Lama...
Reply to: [1]"Julian Love God"
Date: 7 Apr 2005 13:03:55 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
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Post by cupcake
Post by cupcake
Post by cupcake
it wud have been a simply devine scene if the Dalai Lama
had attended the funeral on Friday and simply stood humbly
at the back of the chamber....
but, the Dalai Lama has got neither the style nor
the class, nor the native intelligence to even
think of such a thing...
rather, he wuz probably demanding the seat in
front of Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who isn't
even gonna be there!
bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! ha!
His Rolex kept triggering the metal-detectors but
he refused to take them all off.
i wudn't'a let him into the country either...
He was tryin to *leave* with his swag.
Stavros of Pureshitland
2005-04-03 15:30:25 UTC
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Post by cupcake
when told that an American would never be accepted
"... but i'm Austrian!... Hiel... oops, strike
that -- ... wrong movie :)"
That would make such a great movie...
He could call himself...the Popinator.
I can see him blessing the host and then
flinging it out to the crowd like a frisbee!
"Look, I am the Massinator! I represent
the Christinator...he said "eat me." You must
obey"
To the crowd: "Make it so!"
"Take and eat (long pause) THIS
IS-MY-BODY!"
Can you see Stavros in Vatican Square?
"Now God brought us into this world
naked...and its a nice sunny day..."
"Here...this is high fiber host...I want
to show you the new papal throne...
..I want you to give a shit..."
If I were Pope?...well I will post about that
later.
I would say that God made us naked. We must worship him that way.
doc shines
2005-04-03 15:31:08 UTC
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Post by cupcake
when told that an American would never be accepted
"... but i'm Austrian!... Hiel... oops, strike
that -- ... wrong movie :)"
i was kinda rootin for pope osama
or pope saddam

they called me and asked if i wanted
to be the next pope but i told them that
i didn't care for the hat altho it would be
cool to tool around in the popemobile
cupcake
2005-04-03 15:36:49 UTC
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Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam?
Reply to: [1]"doc shines"
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:31:08 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
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Post by cupcake
when told that an American would never be accepted
"... but i'm Austrian!... Hiel... oops, strike
that -- ... wrong movie :)"
i was kinda rootin for pope osama
or pope saddam
they called me and asked if i wanted
to be the next pope but i told them that
i didn't care for the hat altho it would be
cool to tool around in the popemobile
or, how's about the Dalai Lame-Ass officiating at
the new multi-billion (50 billion) dollar Shangri-la
theme-park-pleasure-spa that the Chinese are
building in Lhasa
cupcake
2005-04-03 15:42:21 UTC
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Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam?
Reply to: [1]cupcake
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:36:49 GMT
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
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Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam?
Reply to: [1]"doc shines"
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:31:08 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
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Post by cupcake
when told that an American would never be accepted
"... but i'm Austrian!... Hiel... oops, strike
that -- ... wrong movie :)"
i was kinda rootin for pope osama
or pope saddam
they called me and asked if i wanted
to be the next pope but i told them that
i didn't care for the hat altho it would be
cool to tool around in the popemobile
or, how's about the Dalai Lame-Ass officiating at
the new multi-billion (50 billion) dollar Shangri-la
theme-park-pleasure-spa that the Chinese are
building in Lhasa
and, we cud have Stumper running up the steps
of the Potala yelling: "boss! dee plane, dee plane!"
doc shines
2005-04-03 16:10:28 UTC
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Post by cupcake
Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam?
Reply to: [1]cupcake
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:36:49 GMT
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
Followup to: [4]newsgroups
Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam?
Reply to: [1]"doc shines"
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:31:08 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
Followup to: [4]newsgroups
Post by cupcake
when told that an American would never be accepted
"... but i'm Austrian!... Hiel... oops, strike
that -- ... wrong movie :)"
i was kinda rootin for pope osama
or pope saddam
they called me and asked if i wanted
to be the next pope but i told them that
i didn't care for the hat altho it would be
cool to tool around in the popemobile
or, how's about the Dalai Lame-Ass officiating at
the new multi-billion (50 billion) dollar Shangri-la
theme-park-pleasure-spa that the Chinese are
building in Lhasa
and, we cud have Stumper running up the steps
of the Potala yelling: "boss! dee plane, dee plane!"
well if osama or saddam don't want the job,
maybe milosovich or even charly
manson, cuz they already have the grand
power addiction and would probably love people
kneeling before them and kissing their ring
cupcake
2005-04-03 16:09:39 UTC
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Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam, maybe pope charly manson?
Reply to: [1]"doc shines"
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:10:28 -0400
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[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
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Post by cupcake
Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam?
Reply to: [1]cupcake
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:36:49 GMT
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
Followup to: [4]newsgroups
Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam?
Reply to: [1]"doc shines"
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:31:08 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
Followup to: [4]newsgroups
Post by cupcake
when told that an American would never be accepted
"... but i'm Austrian!... Hiel... oops, strike
that -- ... wrong movie :)"
i was kinda rootin for pope osama
or pope saddam
they called me and asked if i wanted
to be the next pope but i told them that
i didn't care for the hat altho it would be
cool to tool around in the popemobile
or, how's about the Dalai Lame-Ass officiating at
the new multi-billion (50 billion) dollar Shangri-la
theme-park-pleasure-spa that the Chinese are
building in Lhasa
and, we cud have Stumper running up the steps
of the Potala yelling: "boss! dee plane, dee plane!"
well if osama or saddam don't want the job,
maybe milosovich or even charly
manson, cuz they already have the grand
power addiction and would probably love people
kneeling before them and kissing their ring
wud yu like to kiss my rosey little ring?
Stumper
2005-04-03 17:48:50 UTC
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Post by cupcake
Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam, maybe pope charly manson?
Reply to: [1]"doc shines"
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 12:10:28 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
Followup to: [4]newsgroups
Post by cupcake
Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam?
Reply to: [1]cupcake
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:36:49 GMT
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
Followup to: [4]newsgroups
Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam?
Reply to: [1]"doc shines"
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:31:08 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
Followup to: [4]newsgroups
Post by cupcake
when told that an American would never be accepted
"... but i'm Austrian!... Hiel... oops, strike
that -- ... wrong movie :)"
i was kinda rootin for pope osama
or pope saddam
they called me and asked if i wanted
to be the next pope but i told them that
i didn't care for the hat altho it would be
cool to tool around in the popemobile
or, how's about the Dalai Lame-Ass officiating at
the new multi-billion (50 billion) dollar Shangri-la
theme-park-pleasure-spa that the Chinese are
building in Lhasa
and, we cud have Stumper running up the steps
of the Potala yelling: "boss! dee plane, dee plane!"
well if osama or saddam don't want the job,
maybe milosovich or even charly
manson, cuz they already have the grand
power addiction and would probably love people
kneeling before them and kissing their ring
wud yu like to kiss my rosey little ring?
We all know about you power addiction.
But, we just don't understand
how in the world you got such idea
when you only read the Buddhist suttas.
Stumper
2005-04-03 17:43:04 UTC
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Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam?
Reply to: [1]cupcake
Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 15:36:49 GMT
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
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Re: Ah-nold for Pope? or pope osama or pope saddam?
Reply to: [1]"doc shines"
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:31:08 -0400
Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server
[2]alt.buddha.short.fat.guy,
[3]talk.religion.buddhism
Followup to: [4]newsgroups
Post by cupcake
when told that an American would never be accepted
"... but i'm Austrian!... Hiel... oops, strike
that -- ... wrong movie :)"
i was kinda rootin for pope osama
or pope saddam
they called me and asked if i wanted
to be the next pope but i told them that
i didn't care for the hat altho it would be
cool to tool around in the popemobile
or, how's about the Dalai Lame-Ass officiating at
the new multi-billion (50 billion) dollar Shangri-la
theme-park-pleasure-spa that the Chinese are
building in Lhasa
and, we cud have Stumper running up the steps
of the Potala yelling: "boss! dee plane, dee plane!"
You must be older than you sound.
Do you have anything against the short people?
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